In any conflict, one thing is key: your weapon. An uprising of the walking plague, legions of the undead, or hordes of zombies is no different. The well prepared and well armed survivor will have serveral weapons at his or her disposal: a trusty sidearm, a sturdy and damaging melee weapon, and a primary offensive weapon.
The most common primary weapon will probably be rifles, as machine guns and sub-machine guns are currently hard to come by for the general public. After the fall of military and policing units, they may be easier to acquire. Also common and equally as important, if not more destructive, is the shotgun.
Current civilian shotguns are usually limited to 2 or 5 rounds, or in the case of police issue Benellis, a chamber of 8. This can be quite limiting when faced with large quantities of the undead. You need the rapid reload, fire and ammunition capacity of a sub-machine gun while harnessing the destructive power of the 12-gauge shotgun. The answer lies in a devastating new weapon being developed: the AA-12 Automatic Assault 12-gauge shotgun.
The reliability and usability of shotguns during a zombie outbreak is a hotly contested issue. On one hand, their ruggedness and stopping power are not to be underestimated. On the other hand, they take considerable time to reload and their muzzle climb and recoil negatively affect accuracy and successful headshot capability. The AA-12 seeks to eradicate these problems.
Carrying a 10, 20 or 32 round magazine, firing a devastating 300 rounds per minute and having almost no muzzle climb or recoil, the AA-12 is the ultimate weapon for a zombie invasion. The only potential setback is such a weapon is not legal for a civilian to own as it has no legal sporting purpose. Durable, reliable, strong and machined to withstand various climates, weather, water and grime, the AA-12 will maintain itself as a steadfast and deadly weapon for repelling undead hordes. Videos after the jump.
Now, my friends over at Zombies Are Coming have complied reasons as to why a shotgun does not make for a good weapon in a zombie outbreak. Five bullet points are presented, and the AA-12 fires every one.
- 1 – Ammo Capacity: Even the Benelli Super-90 only holds eight rounds, and as evidenced by a panicked Ving Rhames in “Dawn of the Dead”, 8 is not enough. The AA-12 holds a minimum 10 rounds in a quick loading box, or 20 or greater in a fast firing (and easy to load) drum.
- 2 – Reloading Ability: No longer is the shotgun operator stuck opening the breech or sliding in shell after shell – just drop and replace a clip or drum with the AA-12.
- 3 – Rate of Fire: No contest here. The AA-12 Automatic Shotgun produces an incredible 300 rounds per minute – thats 5 rounds per second you’re pumping into zombie heads, always on target. You can even mount it on a vehicle.
- 4 – Range and Power: You certainly don’t need to worry about range and power when your grouping and accuracy is so tight. Not to mention you can fire grenade rounds 175 yards – more later.
- 5 – Ease of Use: It may be heavy, but it’s rugged and reliable, and incredibly easy to use; even a 100 pound woman can fire the weapon one-handed. Point and shoot – it doesn’t get any easier.
Currently being developed for SWAT and military CQB (Close Quarters Battle) operations, the AA-12 will augment our offensive capability in securing and clearing urban and interior environments of hostiles. As the video below demonstrates, the weapon is amazing in both capability and design. Note the lack of recoil and ease and speed of reloading. The weapon can even be fired one handed, upside down. Also note the consistent, tight shot grouping – hard to do with current shotguns.
As if the capabilites listed aren’t proof enough that this is the ultimate offensive weapon, special rounds have been developed for the AA-12. In addition to standard shot, there also exist door breaching rounds, slugs, and devastating grenade rounds called the FRAG-12. The FRAG-12 comes in at least three flavors: High Explosive, Fragmentation and Armor Piercing. The grenade is a fin-stabilized warhead that can launch up to 175 meters, and produces a blast radius of 9 feet. Just imagine what nine feet of exploding shrapnel will do to some undead heads. Incredible. The video below demonstrates the capabilites of the grenade rounds. Note again the grouping of shots and the low recoil and muzzle climb.
It is of strong concern that even a semi-automatic version of this weapon be made available to the general public. In the event of a rising of the dead, a strong and reliable firearm is mandatory for every survival group. I only hope development and deployment of the AA-12 is complete by then – say before 2012. Oh, and if you’re mobile, you can mount it as a remote-controlled, double AA-12 platform called the HAMMER.Resources
- Mid America Recreation Inc – AA12 Automatic Shotgun
- Top 5 Reasons You Should Not Use a Shotgun for Zombie Defense
- Defense Review – Auto Assault 12 Combat Shotgun for Mil/LE Special Operations
- Defense Review -AA12 Machine Shotgun/FRAG-12 Grenade Weapon System
- Benelli M3 Super 90
- Future Weapons: AA12 Automatic Shotgun
- More Industries – HAMMER Dual AA12 remote firing system
The post AA-12 Shotgun – Anti-Zombie Weapon of Choice first appeared at The Undead Report.
183 million infected
So um… i guess theres not that many people who visit this site… well… Hey sam have you ever tried branching it out to other sites like myyearbook.com or myspace.com? perhaps that will help. oh by the by im sure you can see my e-mail up ther if you want e-mail me and we will talk about this and try to get more people comin to your site because basically i think that the truth and news should be out there for everyone and not everyone can find this site apparently.
Visitor statistics are classified. But feel free to link to me wherever you wish!
Okay will do. If you dont mind i can create a page for you on myyearbook and on myspace. also add the links on to here and on other sites. Thank you very much.
Classified? Damn dude – I wasn’t even interested in ’em till you said that now I’m dying to know. Come on – $5 bucks for a little – maybe the first page of the viewer statistics. Fair?
Just screwing with you. You done a good job here man – the incorporation of the videos is clean and smooth – I like the highlighting work you’ve done with the entry box here. Overall, good job. Looking forward to seeing what kind of expansion you can do. I’d like to see the weapons section grow – I was an armorer for the State for awhile and I can re-read the same gun magazines 100 times.
Sounds like you might be able to get a date with Sonya up there — good luck with that.
Thanks Zen, I tinker and improve the design when I get the chance, I’m glad you like it! There will be more weapons reviews in the future. Hopefully I’ll find something just as awesome as the AA12. I’m thinkin a Barrett M95 might also be quite friendly.
you know… the moment I saw this gun… I thought to myself “I’m going to have to blow some zombie brains out with this” and after everything you’ve said about it… I still stand with what I said
I’ve gotta say, this is a very interesting site. my great idea on the zombie-apocalypse is a very large iron suit that has a chainsaw on the fore arm, and is easy to use. we need to get towns to make shelters for this type of disaster. not to spoil anythng, but you guys are on the right track with this subject
Iron suit and chainsaw? :/ not trying to be jerk but it would be really hard to move, let alone fight with such combination. A better option would be police enforcer/riot control lightweight suit with some melee weapon like a sword or axe, and some handgun.
Yeah… an iron suit isn’t practical at all, much less a reality. I wrote at length about good, mobile, and practical defense gear (though it may lack neck biting defense). If you could get an actual (read: not cheapo dollar store) ninja sword, you’d have a good line of close quarter defense. A chainsaw is good for perimeter defense, but it’s not a melee weapon. It’s also noisy, cumbersome, and uses lots of gas. Yes Harold, a reliable handgun with a large magazine would be good.
Read about my suggestions for zombie defense here: https://www.undeadreport.com/2008/02/zombie-apocalypse-defense-gear/
Thanks for approval Sam. Although instead of ninja sword i’d use somewhat longer type(>20 inch) machete, becouse of wider cutting edge, which would provide tremendous damage on rotten corpses. Machete is also extremely light(weighting in 0.5 kilos or around 1.2lb) becouse its blade is very thin(most way below 3mm thick). Also while wielding machete in your other hand you could wield somewhat lower caliber handgun(6-8mm maybe; im not actually a gun expert) for melee and firepower combo’s. By the way, this is a really nice site Sam.
in your opinion…what is the best choice for a melee weapon? i mean, when all ammunition has been expended and you’re there face to face with the undead…
Thats a good question Ghost, and it will make for a good topic. Smashing vs. cutting, or distance vs. accuracy. It really depends on what you have available.
I agree with Sam. It would depend but if i run out of ammo and land beside a ball ball, a club with nails drove in, and a sword… I think ill go with the club.
Sam, dont forget that once you can get into rundown infested army armories you can obtain claymore mines…ultimate zombie control…..
Place it at head level draw em’ in…baaaaaannnnnggggg…..ball bearings of doom…
[…] zombie Homework! i found the Hammer Remote AA-12 Cannon cool so I googled it and got this page: AA-12 Shotgun – Anti-Zombie Weapon of Choice – Undead Report: Real life zombie news and undead sight… Check the title. Someone has been Googling for “Anti Zombie Weapon” ..BUSTED!! How Bergie met […]
yeah this shotgun would be incredibly handy…. to bad its not legal to own. but if the world goes to shit, then u might have a slim chance of actually finding one, ive seen them in action and they are damn impressive
ok yeah this is a awesome, but for zombies, it is also very similar to the 203 automatic rifle with a grenade launcher used by the special forces, but with the addition of compatible grenade/shotgun rounds then this gun should be manufactured in real life i mean, its not beyond the weapon intelligence of the coalition forces then surely and ground troops would quivering let alone dumb blood sucking neck biting zombies.
nice site sam, i agree with get the website around a lot mate and you’ll do yourself good.
For the melee weapon i am thinking of some kind of crossbow, maybe with explosive arrow heads with a timed detonater then surely those zombies wont get up.
I have had a very difficult time finding info on actually purchasing one of these, even in semi auto. Are they not available to the public in any form? If they are, can you post a link in reply to a site that sells them or has further info on obtaining them? Thanks in advance.
they are NOT avilable to the public in any form
hello, yes i’m selftitulated weaponry expert, and u knew exactly what gun is the most capable, yes the AA-12. i dont need to mention, cause it’s already explained in detail above, how much damage it will do. well, there are of course strong contenders: ex: m-1 modified or was it the m-4, whatever, its the same military rifle used in full m jacket…but it could be equiped with c-mag,,that means 100 rounds of stopping power 7.62 mm, with optics, lazer yes, that will be one STRONG contender.
and there are the new incredible mg from FN HERSTAL, namely mk 48 mod1, same 7.62mm round, but firing at 730 rpm! and as handy as the minimi 5.56mm.
FLAMETHORWERS will be more than suff, but is heavy to drag around, as is the f…minigun hehehehe. well there are taurus revolver with 8-round cap of 357 magnum. that will be nice, of course with lazeroptics.
the gepard m6 lynx can be fired in 12,7x107mm russian – 10 round mag, no bolt action moving here. thats maybe the strongest contender here, but the weight and bulk will be a little problematic again…
the .500 smith and wesson will kick some serious zombie ass, with full house loads,, but then the recoil…well i could write forever…my suggestions. poor,poor leveractions, they will be no good in the dawn of the dead movie!
Beretta 92fs, AR-15 w/ 30 round mags
Yeah, this is a frighteneing weapon. But where can a civilian get some of this high tech love? Not the sort of weapon you’d be able to loot in an abandoned mall or your average gun store.
I’d still go w/ a Benelli M3T. I have one at home in case Zombies do come. The beauty of this model is that you can switch between semi-auto and pump action. Why is this good? Aside from allowing to use all kinds of specialist ammo, nothing beats the reliability of a Pump Action 12 Ga. weapon.
A zombie’s claws or teeth do not jam, so your weapon shouldn’t either!
This one also has a folding stock and I prefer it to the newer Benelli M4 for these reasons. However the M4 does have a metal that does not corrode. THAT is something to think about when you’re caught outside your safe house…
some one give a headshot as to waether or not the aa 12 is chain load compatible and if its not it should be
especialy if you are going to make a turret out of it cause a chain is hundreds of bullets not twenty
“But where can a civilian get some of this high tech love?” (Oliver). Thank you Oliver, for pointing out the impossibility of a civilian, even military personnel, to obtain this weapon. Honestly, shotguns are not the best zombie killers unless you are in a close quarters, urban combat area, which is not a good idea in a zombie apocalypse.
If you are on the run, and you have a choice, go for a medium caliber bolt-action. It will pack enough punch to get a very reliable head shot (assuming you are on target) and you will be less likely to waste ammo. Having to eject the casings manually will hopefully calm the shooter down enough for them to make good judgments and good shots. If you are well disciplined, go ahead and get a semi-auto so you can get more shots off, but never, never, NEVER go with a full auto if you happen to find or have one. Ammo is a very precious commodity, and automatic rifles will only waste it. Even the most skilled and disciplined shooter will only be hindered by an automatic rifle.
Speaking of ammo, another reason to go for a rifle instead of a shotgun (assuming you can) is because the ammo for rifles is more compact and light than shotgun shells. Whether you are on the run or holed up, it will be better to have lighter, more compact ammo. Shotguns were designed to do damage to internal organs and punch holes through people, which is not a good strategy for kicking some zombified ass.
That is it for now, if anyone disagrees, give a headshot or email me at gamesnob@live.com
first an idea for armour a shark suit
and secondly what wepon options are there for us the british
hears an idea what about this for a modified 9mm AK
then you have 2 weapons witch use easy to find ammo
Lightweight Shotgun System
After successfully testing a nine pound shotgun attachment (that went under the barrel of an M-16) in Afghanistan late last year, the army is shipping a new, and lighter, weapon of the same type to Afghanistan. The LSS (Lightweight Shotgun System) weighs less than three pounds ( 2 pounds, 11 ounces) and has a five round magazine, versus three for the earlier, nine pound, “Masterkey Breaching Module.” The LSS is a 16.5 inch long, 12 gauge shotgun and can be operated right or left handed. It fires solid shot for blasting open closed doors, or lower velocity, non-lethal (most of the time) rubber slugs for dealing with hostile crowds without killing people. A stand-alone version weighs 4 pounds, 3 ounces, is 24 inches long (with the stock collapsed). The LSS was rushed through development, testing and manufacturing because troops in Iraq expressed a need for this weapon. A batch of 200 have been produced and 50 are on their way to Afghanistan for field tests during actual operations. The LSS proved very reliable during testing, with some 15,000 rounds being fired.
Sounds like the shotgun attachment could prove useful and versatile, but may be hard to find. A modded AK? That’s just too much hassle and too complicated to carry out. Stick with a regular AK, or whatever is handy.
Kyle:
Shark suits just aren’t going to do it. Do you really want all that extra weight and immobility *if* you happened to be bitten? I’d rather be able to move faster than worry about being surrounded by a mob — it’s pretty much over then. As for weapons and Brits — well, your government has pretty much screwed you there, no knives, no guns — move to the US, we’ve got plenty. But in seriousness, you’ll have to improvise. Melee weapons are a last resort. I’m sure in the apocalypse, you’d be able to find a few firearms if you’re lucky and fast enough to get them. Perhaps a crossbow as a last resort, go medieval.
will a well amied air gun shot do or how will a riot shield and kanta or powerful air pistol and crowbar do
btw i am only 12 planing to get my mum to get good air gun with plenty of .22 hunting rounds
.p.s if reports of zs on news then gowing to try and join gun gangs togeather and hold out in a armed police station 3 guns 4 defenders plus confoskated weapons galore
o i forgot crobows are ileagle
can you keep my email on sow i can hear from other z hunters
there shuold be a section for people in britain and other contries witch have no guns for public
but would a shot through the eye with a air gun kill a z
Kyle, I removed it because I don’t want my visitors getting email spammed, but I will leave it for you — but please watch how many times you post, get all your thoughts out first.
I’m quite sure crowbars are legal even in the UK, but you don’t ever want to find yourself in that situation. To all my UK readers, unless you can get your hands on your dad’s old cache of WWII firearms he took from the barracks, I highly recommend you RUN. Kyle, airguns don’t shoot .22s, a .22 calibre rifle does. An airgun isn’t going to do anything but make a zombie angrier (if they have emotions). I know you’re 12, but please do some more research and check your spelling so I don’t have to edit everything! Take advantage of your youth to read lots of books on the subject, not just things written by Max Brooks.
EDIT 2009/02/28: I was mistaken by Kyles earlier post regarding .22s, I thought he was confusing firearms with air rifles, when in fact I was.
when i said crowbows i meant crossbows and the only zombie guide is the zombie survival guide and the only gun related thing is a airgun mag whitch i enjoy reading also please check out this site http://www.solware.co.uk/air-pistol-air-rifle/22-air-rifle-pellet-gun.shtml
this is why i thought that there were .22 for air rifles thanks for reading
I’m new to the zombie world,but am a fast learner,.308 bolt action w/a 168 grain boattail hollow-point match grade may do a job to a zombie’s frontal lobe,or a flame thrower(i know,iknow…where can i get some love as a civilian) well i built one in my shop..with off the shelf items…also remember swords and knives do not need to be re-loaded…my son Curtis came up with a good idea…a meat-bomb it consists of a propane tank or cylinder(depending on the size bang you want) a high-way flare duct tape and a hunk of meat. duct tape said flare to the side of one propane tank or cylinder and tie or tape hunk-o-meat to the side…ignite flare…toss…hit with high caliber pistol and or rifle bullit and serve rare…should clear area around blast zone.(could also use fresh road-kill if hunk-o-meat not available).
first flame throwers are a bad idea if a zombie thats on fire gets into your base it could set your best defence against z’s on fire attracting more z’s with the smoke and a explosive device will attract to mutch atention to your self plus if any remaining law enforcment is still around you want to be some one to trust and not locked away in the back of truck small pipebombs for when you have been biten you can charge at the z’s and blow you and them up but only do this if you have been bitten!!!
If I’m using an explosive device, my position is compromised anyway! As far as flame-throwers, I tend to agree with you, and the whole idea is not to be bitten, I like me to much to blow myself into atoms, only as a last resort…..then hello 4th of july!!!
Kyle; If you are still interested about air-guns, you might give GAMO Airrifles or http://www.quackenbushairguns.com a try, They have been taking deer ,boar,elk and even a 2000 lb. bison with a .457 air-gun.
thanks Jeff but im not shure that they would be leagle in the uk also i know that the idea is not to be bitten but you mite still run out of luck say if you get cornnerd and you have run out of shells ,this way you can still take some z’s with you + nobody has to see your pretty face LOL
Kyle;
If it gets that bad,I run out of shells and get cornered, feel free to put a weeping third eye in the middle of my pretty fore-head…Have you noticed that most Z movies occure in the UK…huh? It must be the lack of weaponry…and we thought Z’s were stupid…let a zombie out-brake happen down south…got your back!
ok i will move from nw but i hope you are ok with LFC so what are your outbrake plans
weapon lists
escape plans so on so on
.p.s feel free to email me
…jeff for musical insperation go on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUSzB8MJNes i hope your not a train driver Jeff
hello is there enyone there or have the zombies taken over
Sorry: Kyle I have’nt gotten back to you I’m working two jobs, busy as a one arm paper hanger. It’s funny you should say that, the shift i’m on is called the” zombie shift” I am a Sgt. at a prison on midnight shift,
As far as weapons list’s I have it broke down into three catagories: long range ie..rifle,medium range ie..asault rifle, and finaly close range ie..pistol/shotgun you could put in there hand to hand combat which includes knives,swords and clubs, but like you said last resort. As far as evac plans I’m leaning toword the floating freighter, like Max Brooks said “there is never safe! just safer!”
so wats it like watching the monkeys thrugh the bars
and do you think it would be worth it defending a prison you know with the bars and guns
Well the good news is it’s a well defendable fortress, the bad news is all the locks are electric…power failure=open cells, good thing we have two back-up generators, and I’m a father of two, so it’s like raising kids except my kids don’t want to “shank” me!
what about when the out brake happens you refit the locks so that ther bolt locks + only 12 so not planing kids yet so plz explain plz
look at this web site
http://www.gunslot.com/blog/how-make-gun-common-materials-self-defense
find shells and your in the money or make it a shot gun and make your own shells at
http://www.basc.org.uk/content/homeloading
sam i hope it helps british people like me everywhere
ps more about making your own shot gun shells
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-build-your-own-shotgun-and-shells-205823_2/
also for really freaky sh*t look at thiss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0BUysglCZA&feature=related
It’s like baby-sitting,the only added bonus is these guys sometimes want to put a knife in your guts!
Sam a couple things, first off, nice site. Second you can buy air rifles in .22 and .25 caliber, so you might want to do some homework before telling others to do theirs. Yes I know this is your site and you could not post my comment for that but was just saying.
Now as far as Z evac. me and a buddy have a small group of people that train for just that sort of thing. We came up with the idea of taking a Hemmet (military truck) fitting a modified shipping crate onto the back and a snow plow on the front so that you have safe travel to a dock. Where you would find the biggest boat you can handle between you and your crew, clear it, and use it.
As far as weapons are concerned every one on your crew should carry some sort of rifle either semi-auto or bolt action, leave the single shot and lever actions at home. A shotgun, short(ish) barrel and pump action with what ever gauge you can handle most comfortably. You should also carry 2 if not more handguns…yes I know that weight might become an issue if you plan on traveling on foot, but the reason for multiple handguns…is lack of reload time, when ones empty just drop it draw a new one, and start shooting again.
Every one on your team needs a SOLID melee weapon, Katanas are good as long as you get a real one and not a cheap reproduction. Axes would work in a pinch but have a small cutting surface so watch out for those. Ball bats, and clubs work well. One person on every crew should carry a crowbar, for melee purpose as well as their utilitarian uses. I.E. find a locked door, CROWBAR IT, need something heavy rolled down a hill onto a bunch of Z’s CROWBAR IT. I hope you get the idea about that.
Sam, if you would post my e-mail so any one that wants more information, or more ideas/wants to share some of theirs with me and my crew they can get a hold of me.
Keep up the good work.
One more thing you should feature, is the Mk 92 Automatic Grenade Launcher….again military only but would pop a lot of heads.
sam why did you remove my gun making information?
it can increase suvival rates by a ten fold sorry bout spelling but in shok the main problem is that many places do not have guns so i give instrutions but you remove
sorry for the rest of us britains,the yankys don’t want us to suvive by the looks of it!
but here it is again
http://www.gunslot.com/blog/how-make-gun-common-materials-self-defense
sam sorry bout what i said i was just shoked so sorry
Thanks for the information Kyle. The first post got flagged for spam because you had too many links. Watch the overposting, and if you add a nuch of links in one post, I do go through and moderate the comments, so I’ll publish it.
I haven’t had a chance to look at building your own gun, but I’d prefer scavenging for one than trusting any construction of such a dangerous and complicated device. For those in the UK, perhaps stick with big bore high power air rifles. Building your own firearm is not a really practical or safe idea.
ZKA_LT, I was confused about Kyle’s original post RE:22s, I thought he was confusing air rifles with firearms when in fact I was. You defnitely have some solid plans and ideas. Finding a suitable katana or sword could be a bit difficult, and they’re not exactly easy to use. A Gerber machete may be a better, versatile and more useful idea. It can also be lashed to create a polearm. Remember, you don’t really want to get into a melee fight to beign with. High power Air rifles or PCP rifles could be a very useful weapon, given the relatively quiet report.
I redacted a few email addresses earlier, because I don’t want my posters getting any spam. But feel free to post your email address as something like “user at domain dot com” for others to contact you.
sam this way people can make thier own shotguns lighter then factory modles plus thier great for when all things fail like when you have been bitten and sorry for having a go at you before and air rifles that can kill are section one firearms but planing to get a permit for a .22rifle(i know but best you can have in uk) and a 9mm pistol + if possible a 12g shotgun and have at least 100 for rifle and 100 for 9mm and 50 for 12g shotgun
No problems there, I understand about the mass amounts of spam, as for melee fights, I know that’s the last thing you want it to be but occasionally that will become inevitable, as for Gerber Machettes, don’t get me wrong Gerber makes a good blade, but I highly recommend the Cold Steel versions http://www.coldsteel.com thry have everything from traditional to Khukri’s (My personal favorite).
I got a good chuckle about the zombies. I want one of these guns. And what do they mean there is no “sporting” purpose for this gun. What makes this any different than a modified Glock or a fully auto Glock? Not many handgun hunters use 9mm or .40 cal to hunt with. Revolvers are the choice. I’ll tell you the difference. The AA12 makes all other guns beside machine guns look like toys.
What they mean by no “Sporting” purpose is just that, there is no reason to own that other then for “war” purposes, it would be impractical to hunt with, and even worse for home defense. Jeff, when you say “Modified” Glock do you mean one that’s been illegally worked to fire full auto? At which case, they are illegal to own, and getting caught with one means prison time. As for hunters using .40 cal’s or 9mm’s to hunt with, I know a lot of people that use them as a back up when hunting pigs or wild dogs of any sort, just for the high ammo capacity and rate of fire compared to the big wheel guns. Not meaning to nit-pick or anything, just leaving my two cents again.
so what do people think about the make your own gun report a few posts back
sam i need to speak to u
do you know how to reactivate a winchester rifle? its the only gun iv got and i need it working for the zombie outbrake
Sorry Kyle, no help from me. But scan the Internet, hit your local book store for gun history and repair manuals, or look up information similar to the firearm you have. I’m aware of UK gun laws and all those cameras you have, so be careful man.
Dude, that dual AA-12 turret type thing is awesome. you should consider Mk. 19’s, a long range, semi auto mounted grenade launcher. Also, the USAS 12 and SPAS 12, both auto shotguns, are good choices. if you have an assault rifle that can hold under barrel accessories like M203 g-launchers, invest in the XM26-LSS, a fully automatic, under barrel shotgun that comes in real handy. The magazine size is small, only six shots (?), but the advantage of two weapons at once make it a good backup weapons, and if you’re strong, you can always burst fire your assault rifle while reloading. Hinders the realoading, but it may save your life. also, a double barrel shotgun can be useful against one or two zombies, b ecause of the immense power and headshot capabilities becaus eyou cna run up, shoot, and then run away, but only if they’re slow shambling zombies, not 28 Weeks Later zombies that haul butt. Also, the Pancor Jackhammer, the default shotgun in Far Cry,and also an automatic shotgun. Although it never fully entered production, if it did, it’s small size and 4 rounds per second would make it a great gun for close range. THe MAG-7 would be great, as it is a small shotgun. the High Standard Model 10 is a very small, semi-automatic bullpup shotgun tha looks as if it would be very effective in close quarters. the FAMARS rombo is a four barreled shotgun that would be magnificent for thinning out crowds of zombies, since all four barrels can be fired at once. the beretta xtrema 2 is the size of a regular pump action shotgun, but has semi aout capabitlites. Last but definetly not least is the STriker Shotgun. Featuring a fully auto, revolving magazine. also the beretta 1201fp is a semi auot shotgun, the one featured in Duke Nukem 3d was pump action. pick a glock or a 92fs for a sidearm, as they feature large magazines, and the glock is fully auto. pick a crowbar/ prybar for a melee, a p90 for a sub machine gun.
continuing my last post (sorry, the bell rang for the end of school) a good assault rifle would be something like a Scar-h CQC, because of it’s small size. also, the Ak47/74 would be a good choice because of it’s availibilty. file down the fireing pin (?) and you can have yourself an automatic gun. have a steady supply of molotov cocktails and torches at hand. for precision, have andy rifle you may have gotten. bolt action sucks for more than a couple zombies, so if you can find yourself a semi auto, take it. knives and mallets and scythes and shovels and other tools make a great melee weapon. remember to protect yourself. wear layes of clothes and possibly armor to shield yourself from bites and attacks. PROTECT YOUR FACE!!!
hmmm. i’m guessing you guys are from the uk. i’m from america. i want to ask you experts CAN I SURVIVE?
This is gear i can use
1. tools-scythes,shovels,baseballbats, molotov cocktails (I can make some), chainsaw, saws, etc.
2. old guns ( i think they still work) i have a neighbor whos a hunter who can porvide me with guns
3. knives of all sorts
4. not much for clothes
sort of pwn in call of duty 5, nazi zombies
5. i live in the woods, and there is an old road going further into the woods that comeso out inanother town but is nearly inaccesible. will the woods be a safe refuge? where should i go?
from what you’ve heard can i survive?
p.s. i’m a crack shot.
hey, do you think something like a high pressure fire hose could keep a horde of zombies at bay? also, what kind of zombies do you expect? I’m totally with you guys, i belive that something like that could happen. You guys ever read “The walking Dead”? it shows what not to do when an outbreak occurs: try to get civilians to a city. once one person gets infected, soon all others will.
sorry about all the posts im excited. i just have to make a correction. the mk. 19 is full auto
Logan — thanks for the tips. But, what defines “crack shot” and, can you share your relevant experiences with these firearms? The Pancor Jackhammer is a joke, a prototype, and the AA-12 is the real, field tested thing. Your multiple references to video games and school bells leads me to doubt your real life experiences and familiarity, especially with the firearms you’ve listed.
have you, sam, evr shot an aa-12? if you havent’ you shouldn’t be rappin logan on his knowledge limits. and what the frick do you mean “school bells”?
im guessing you’re a little slow, crack shot means you can fire your gun with great accuracy. hit what your pointing at. and just cause i’m still in school doensn’t mean my parents ride me about what i look up on the internet. i know most of my stuff, and i can make a good list of what would be a good anti zombie weapon. just cause you guys are all above the drinking age and are experts and prbbly are addcited to zombies doesn’t mean you have to be an asshole to a newbie who just wants to be a part of a really cool site, sam.
just cause i havent fired a usas 12 or spas 2 in real life doesn’t mean i don’t know what they can do. and have you ever faced a zombie sam? huh? you say i have no knowledge? have you evre been pursued by a horde of zombies sam? i haven’t and it seems that you haven’t either. i think you have had no experience with zombies up close. you act like you’ve fought in life or death situations. you act like you’ve spent every day of your life facing zomvies. i doubt you have . So stop being an asshole and stop hurting my feelings.
spas 12 not spas 2
Sam, I think logan is pissed at you. And for a good reason too. Just because he is in school doesn’t mean he’s stupid. My own son who is less than ten years old spends much of his time looking up guns on wikipedia and the like. as I said, logan may be young, but he is obviously not a stpid when it comes to weapons. Give the kid a break, Sam.
Follow up:
Not trying to harp on you Logan. It would just be more valuable if you had some real life experience with firearms. I have a few police officers, national guardsmen and marines who comment on here about training, firearms and the like. If you really want to brush up on your knowledge of all things firearms, I suggest you hit up firearms manuals, history books or http://world.guns.ru/ — video games and the Internet may leave out critical details to compensate for game balance and personal bias. First hand experience is always best.
DK and Smithsonian publish some interesting books on the history of firearms and weapons. Check ’em out. Your comments and opinions are of course still valid and welcome.
thanks sam. sorry, i was just kinda pissed. Thanks for the link too. by the way, i’ve heard a lot about .22s for zombies, how effective do you think they would be? i think they’d be fine as long as you had enough ammo. by the way, a firearm that I know would be the ultimate zombie killer if you could ever get one: the vss vintorez. it is a fully automatic, silenced russian sniper rifle. how do you think that would be against zombies? it would sure as hell beat using a bolt action.
Hey, Im back to leave my two cents, Logan good choice on some of your guns, but there’s a few I question, especially the Glock, which model are you talking about because there’s only one I can think of that comes fully automatic out of factory, but you can as you said file the firing pin to make any gun automatic. The VSS Vintorez would be decent because its silenced, but they aren’t known to be all that reliable, and since it fires a specialty 12.7 MM round, getting ammo would prove to be problematic, but if you can find ammo by all means use anything you can get don’t limit yourself just because someone else says its a “bad” choice. I know my anti-zombie “go kit” contains four pistols, a shotgun, and a few choices for rifles. One of those is indeed a .22 because the small size of the round and light weight means you can carry A LOT of ammo in very little space. It also (contrary to popular belief) has enough power and accuracy to take out a human sized head at 100 yards or more, and yes I do have proof of this. I hope that gives you a few different perspectives from all types of members from the A-Z community.
If you would like to contact me further you can reach me any time at fenix661@yahoo.com
talking about the auto glock, because since it uses 9mm (?) you can easily find ammo for it and it’s auto capabilities can easily put down a good amount of zombies if you aim for the head. I believe 22s are good because you can get semi auto rifles and some .22 guns have great ammo capacity, which greatly improves it’s usage.
ya know what they need to make an assault rfile/shotgun/grenade launcher weapon. ya know, i’ve heard a lot of poeple harp on automatic wepons for a zombie outbreak. they crticize them all the time. the thing is, there’s only one problem:ammo consumption. an lmg like the SAW or a big old hmg like the vulcan are great crowd clearers any automatic wepon would be great. the thing is, when the outbreak occurs, you don’t have any more big factories porducing bullets by the thousands. that is basically the only porblem. the other beign that if zombies only go down with headshots, it might not be the best chice you could always go in shaun of the dead style, thowing trash records at them.. my anti zombie kit would consist of the 92fs, scar H- cqc or oicw, aa-12, striker shotgun, usas 12 or spas 12, flamethrower, .22 rifle, vss vintorez (if i could ever get ammo or even find it), dragunov, and a big old katana or crowbar to finish it off. plus ammo. lots and lots of ammo. but that would definitely be a bit cumbersome. you need small guns. that’s why i wish the PANCOR jackhammer had gone into production. for small size my sniper would have to be the ruger mini 14. for small shotgun- XM26-lss or a sawed off pump action. small assault rifle or automatic weapon- scar h cqc or uzi. small pistol-92fs
Thanks Logan. Yes, I’ve used the VSS Vintorez in STALKER as well. However, what your anti zombie kit has in prototype firearms, it certainly lacks in food clothing and first aid.
I agree on your opinion of automatic weapons — they’re mainly used for suppressive fire to keep enemy combatants from returning fire, so aside from stopping looters and survivalists that hate you, there’s not a lot of benefit to going to the lengths required for legally acquiring such a weapon.
Given the ubiquity of both .22 and 5.56, and .45ACP rounds in the United States (and other NATO countries), any weapon that fires these would be a good choice. You’re not going to be able to lug around 15 different weapons, and certainly not a flamethrower, which has no real tactical or offensive purpose other than to make a mess of things.
i didn’t indicate that i would carry all of the wepons that i mentioned. plus, that was just my choice of weapons. And yes, the vintorez kicks ass in STALKER Shadow Of Chernobyl and the prequel, STALKER: clear sky. plus, i saw no weapons in my list that were “prototypes” – which ones were? plus, a flamethrower would be good because of the consistent damage and its large spread. i do undersand your concern, as the flamethrower’s range basically is no more than that of a nerf gun- if that. and it takes up almost all the space on your back- but hear this- have you played Far Cry 2? well, that is a model that looks like a converted g3ka4, and it’s fuel tank is strapped to the gun, and is not located on the back- that’s what i want. plus, i think some gun company needs to make a double barreled automatic shotty- that would be freakin awesome. kick back might make your shoulder ache. i have a friend who says he has used a barret .50 cal , and he says the owner told him that the kickback can break your collarbone if you’re not careful. Is that true? by the way, auto weapons can be used for thinning out crowds, especially things like the mk. 19 or .50 cal, as far as i know. BY THE WAY, how accurate do you think gun info from a tom clancy game series called Rainbow six vegas would be. i mean, clancy is an army vet, and i’m sure he’d work with people on those games.
the ups and downs of a revolver for an outbreak.
pros: .44, .357, etc revolvers are all powerful. .22s have high ammo capacity. recoil takes down rate of fire.
cons- long reloading times matched with common low ammo capacity make it an unreliable gun.
bottom line- if there was an extended mags like the one in Bioshock, i’d take it. but until i get one, revolvers are a no-go
Logan, finishing on your revolver post, yes bigger rounds which means more knock down.
Pros you forgot to mention, more reliable, WAY less moving parts to bust or jam.
and as for them taking longer to reload, with enough practice and the proper speed loader or half moon clips, you can reload a decent revolver just as fast as you can any semi auto.
Touching on the issue of ammo capacity….I recently acquired a Smith And Wesson model 327 which is an eight shot .357 Mag. and anyone who knows even a small amount about guns would realize that the venerable Colt 1911A1 .45 only carries (8) 7 in the mag, one in the pipe. So I think that’s a con that shouldn’t really be stated.
As for the Barret .50 breaking your collar bone, I would call B.S on that claim, I happen to have the joys of shooting one rather frequently, and I’ve fired 12 gauges that kick less. It could be his gun in for lack of any type of recoil reduction, but a good solid .50 platform will have taken into account the massive amount of recoil and added all number of things to stop it from killing the user.
Hope that information was somewhat helpful and I didn’t sound like a total D-Bag
thanks for the tips. as for your concern of being a d-bag (douche bag or Dirt bag?), don’t worry, i’m not a kind of person who has their ego flared and damaged from someone pointing out some flaws in their posts. thanks for your input! here’s another gun (one of many to come) which i think should be made- automatic .357. handgun or machine gun, i don’t give a damn. just imagine that stopping power. also, how long did it take to learn how to load a revolver as fast as a pistol? i mean, i couldn’t imagine a pistol reload taking more than five seconds, if you have the reload clip out and ready.
about low ammo capacity for revolvers- i stated low ammo count as a con because you can aqquire drum mags or high cpapacity from magazines for pistols. the gun is was stated for was the colt 1911a1, which defenitly deserves a ammo boost.
i meant to have recoil as a con, but it will improve your accuracy, becaus eyou will not fire as fast
going back on my flamethrower. If the zombie outbreak is streotypical (destroy the brain or sever the head) a flamethrower would be useless unless you have one that can shoot fire so hot that it burns through your skull (no hairspray +match here, folks) , and starts BBQing your brain- it will be useless. if it is a human that has been mutated, or has been the victim of a virus (i’m thinking 28 weeks/days later or s.t.a.l.k.e.r.) a flamethrower will do the same thing it does to humans, and therefore would be a very effective crowd controller as far as i’m concerned. lets just hope they’d do what humans would do- stop coming at you and start trying to get it off- a perfect oppurtunity to finish them off with a single round or a shovel to the head. or use whatever other melee weapon you’re carrying. make sure you don’t get set on fire by using something too small as a melee weapon, either.
So just out of curiosity, is everyone on this site pretty much convinced the zombocalypse will descend upon us in the near future? I guess I could be considered a skeptic, but I think there is a possibility for it to happen.
i belive there is a possibility, especially a mutaion or virus ourbreak…
Logan, as for how long, it took me shooting the same gun just about every day for six months or so, in order to be able to reload my revolver as fast as most people can a semi-auto. All you need is a double action revolver, a strong wrist, and some good either speed loaders, or half moon clips. If its your first time I also recommend talking to someone at whatever range you use to get pointers, and the likes.
Gryzaq, as for thinking it will be the near future, I think that due to advancements in medical and military technology, that something like what happened in Omega Man (I Am Legend for everyone who doesn’t watch movies that were first made in 1978) could happen sooner then the general public would like to think or even admit, but as long as the few believers remain vigilant and try to spread the word as best as we can to everyone that will listen and not try to have us committed to the nut house.
As always you can hit me up at fenix661@yahoo.com for any questions or anything.
ZKA Lt.
Alright sweet. Glad I am not alone. None of my friends will listen to me when I say that since things like the f22 raptor were masked by the government for 20 years and that fighter is pretty advanced, who knows whate else they’re covering up? I may sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I try not to be :/
If you like auto-firing shot guns check out these other three with are more relatively available to civilians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_USAS-12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancor_Jackhammer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_CAWS
(here is a link to a photo of the CAWS since it is not poster on the site.)
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/hk_caws.jpg
The only problem with AA-12’s is that you need a permit for auto shotguns like that (costing $2000-$5000)
, and AA-12 shotguns alone cost $12000. I think ~~~Other Auto Shotguns~~~ idea for buying a non military shotgun is smarter because the makers never went into full production so they need to sell off their shotguns they previously made. In this case you can get one for a discount of $1000-$1500. Ha! Sweet isn’t it.
(Note: I’m not trying to entice people to buy those products or advertize them for sale. I’m just stating useful info.)
Here are some other auto shotguns that are cheaper alternatives to an AA-12. Oh yea… FRAG-12’S ARE ONLY AVALABLE TO MILITARY PERSONELL WHILE IN SERVISE OR SWAT MEMBERS WHO HAVE SPECIAL PERMITS. Lead or iron slugs are an alterative.
• Daewoo USAS-12
• Pancor Jackhammer
• Heckler & Koch HK CAWS
They are not as good as the AA-12, but they are better than an semi-auto shotgun.
~~~other auto shotguns~~~, pancor jackhammers aren’t available to the public- there were a couple prototypes, and that’s it. same with the CAWS, theyd be great because of their small size- and with the USAS-12- considered a class 3 destructive device- NOT available to the public.
the best zombie killer would be the 45. caliber kriss, sub machine gun, it has a 30 round mag and downward bolt recoil dampener
Well i think that i should pick up a mk.23 with a sliencer and a flash light added with a slienced mp5k
and in case a GP06 grenade launcher [sorry if i mistaken the name of the weapon]
if your asking about slienced weapons is about keep low and attract less of the undead hordes
still this gun is just the best from the shotgun type the kriss .45 smg is the best because of high
fire rate,low recoil AND the small weapon size that uses the best pistol .45 caliber. and if your asking me i say hide in a school its a big place and it has
a lot of room to storage survivors AND gear !
well a close substitute would be a saiga 12 with a 20 rnd drum
um yeah the aa12 is cool, but its has too many draw backs, such as being bulky, unique ammo, and is only good for close quaters desperate like scenarios. stick with regular guns and weapons that you can actually get, any thing else is a waste of time considering that to get to a military base from where i live i would have to go near 35 miles, thru zombie infested cities. anything you can get a sporting good store is going to work till you can get better weapons. the aa12 is better for turrets and stationary positions like on you roof(in which you would use the grenade thing) but most of the time you would need to stick to long range weapons. close range means your to close to run. which means your dead.
prince of paine, the aa-12 doesn’t in all cases use unique ammo, it uses [standard] 12 gauge shells too.
holy cow this thing weights 11 pounds empty, with the 20 rnd drum it weights 16 pounds. imagine luggin this thing around all day. the saiga 12 does the same thing and its lighter, ( 7 lbs empty 10 lbs fully loaded 20 rd drum) ill take the saiga 12, especially since you can legally own one as civilian.
wouldnt mind some of those frag 12 rnds.
For the aa 12 good luck finding enough shotgun shells to use and enough to be reloading. To logan the whole point of your side firearm is a last resort so id much rather have a revolver witch all have a 0 percent chance to jam and it should be a 22 since they will be close anyway. Ive said it once and ill say it again.
Ruger 10/22 or marlin model 60 for traveling. Heritage rough rider 22 sidearm (lr version) You can easily carry 1000 rounds in the same space as 20 shotgun shells.
Benelli m1 deerslayer or ruger mini 14 for Stealing stuff. 1911 of some kind or a sig saur
All of the guns above are extremely common and reliable and use the most common type of ammo in their class all are also extremely durable. When chooseing or researching a firearm for raiding i would extremely suggest makeing sure its gas operated if its semi automatic. Gas operated guns are faster shoots more reliable and have less kick. Always remember to go for the more durable wooden stocks more than the fancy pistol grip synthetics for travel. Pistol grips are good for quick shooting buy not for acurate aiming.
while i agree on the other weapons i still think a good shotgun should be on there
yeah, a pistol should be used as a last resort weapon. but what if it’s your only weapon (epic fail) and you have a horde of zeds rushing at you? revolvers are much more reliable, but the ammo capacity of other pistols sometimes beats a revolver. the good thing about revolvers is that you can aqquire 8 round capacity ones, but there’s no such thing as a revolver high cap mag. agaisnt a horde, a regular, easier to load pistol might be better. just make sure you cleasn your gun regularly, you don’t want it jamming in the middle of a “panic event” as l4d so aptly names it. lets make a .357 automatic rifle! Über firepower. hm..the recoil might be a bit much though…hmms..
Benelli m1 is a semi auto 12g shotgun.
yeah, i know. it’s a cool gun
sorry orange i missed that one. the benelli is cool, but it has limited mag capacity, and is kinda expensive. im telling you guys saiga is the way to go. if you ever get a chance to buy one, do it you wont be disapointed
the saiga looks like a great gun…but 200+ for a drum mag? jeez!
The m1 i have has a 10 round tube and i can still chamber one. 11 seems like alot to me for a shotgun. You are all thinking of the newer tactical 900 dollar m1s with synthetic stock and pistol grip. Mine is a wood stock version used in vietnam.
Ps how much wa your saiga?
saiga was 449.00 yeah 200.00 was expensive for a drum but i had to have it. they make the standerd 12 and
10 rnd mags for around 20.00 bucks.
double stack mags are coming out soon as well, same capacity smaller size.
in comparison the 10 rnd side winder drum system for mossberg shotguns, was over 500.00.
also what other civilian available shotgun has a drum available?
Well the striker for one. I dont know if any of the like 10 versions have a detachable one though. Then theres the usas 12 but i dont know how available it is. Then theres always the pancor jackhammer witch would be great if you found one of the like 2 protoypes and the special ammo for it. Thers the wm 12 witch i think is just a copy of the usas but im not sure.
the usas 12 i think is considered a class 3 destructive device or something like that. You’d be able to acquire it if you were hihgh-up in the chian of command, but ohter than that, i think you have to own one of those really expensive permits, and most likely have a crime-free background.
It’s hell to get the permit from what i’ve heard..i think. the pancor would be good, but since there’s only a couple of prototypes, and it has a firing rate of 3-4 shots a second, with only a 10-round drum mag, it’ll chew through ammo too fast. also, you’d need to get your hands on a newer striker, or protectra. the original models were bulky and hard as hell to reload.
Also, on mike’s wooden stocks thingy, they give you more area to melee with, while with pistol grips you’d probably have to hit with the front of the shotgun, a regular stock would provide the good length to bash an individual away with. a bayonett would be good also., you could just gorilla glue and gorilla tape it to the gun, making a makeshift (but still useable) disembowler. hmm..maybe tape a balde to the stock would make a more damagin melee attack, but you run the risk of becoming a victim of it yourself, i would think. hopefully going to get my nylon 66 .22 looked at soon, hopefully bringing it back into my arsenal.
striker has ten rnd fixed and is only available to law enforcement. the street sweeper wich is similar to striker requires a class 3 liscence, adn is 2 grand, usas 12 is completly illegal in the united states and is actually classified as a dd (destructive device). the reason being it has no sporting usage.
the other two you mentioned also have fixed mags and are a pain to reload. the reason you can own a siaga legally, is that in its origanal form, its considerad a sporting shotgun( all hi cap mags are made in the u.s.) as mentioned in my first post saiga is the only one available to civilians. (striker would be fun though)
lol,im back .been sick for a few days
yeah im sticking with my mossberg 500 tact im getting pistol grip.
But i would love a saiga 12 guage ha this thing looks awsome.
i bet that the aa12 guage has a high recoil to but the saiga looks mor light weight doesnt look like it does. but idk just looks it
Nearly perfect. Good luck getting your hands on one, though. Even if you did find a military base with them, I doubt they would hand one over to you. If not just blast you out of existence. You might be carrying the disease, you know.
Oh, and hoorah for the AA12’s grenade ammo. Accurate blasting!
Im attracted to a saiga 12. is it as reliable and simple as an ak?
yes same reciever and gas operating system. even strips the same way.
also the saiga can use light loads, unlike the aa 12, which requires higher velocity ammo
haha as long as it’s built by russians, it’s reliable. well, i don’t know that, but I do know the saiga is pretty reliable, especially the kind used by SWAT, the saiga 12-k..?
So..how does one obtain a class three permit and all that jazz required for something like an automatic weapon or law enforcement shotgun?
first you have to have an FFL license then you have to fill out a bunch of forms and send them off to the ATF
then if they approve your permit you have to pay $300 a year to keep the permit. good luck.
I guess none of you have actually READ the zombie survival guide. The AA-12 is a prime example of a weapon NOT to have. Its ammo expenditure far outweighs the benefit of having full auto shotgun fire. Good luck getting more than one headshot per burst. If you can find 15,000 rounds stockpiled somewhere its a great weapon, but I’m sticking with a hi-cap pump shotgun and a hunting rifle.
Well, eric, from what i’ve heard, it’s ( the Z.S. guide) not the most accurate source, so i’m sticking with my opinion of it. has max brooks ever gone into battle with an aa-12? if he has, then his opinion would be accurate. but have fun loading one shell at a time into a shotgun when the time comes. Well, lol, that’s what the majority people who use shotguns will be doing, perhaps :D.
– by the way, thanks mike :D. seems to be more of a hassle [than] it’s worth…
why a pump i’d go with a semi
yeah its quite tedious. im plenty happy with my 20 rnd drum, on semi auto. the saiga 12 is quite possibly the most accurate shotgun ive ever used.it has leaf sites, very easy for quick target aquisition. plus i can have all my other mags pre loaded, and swap out in seconds. f#%#k those zombies!
pump allows you to steady your shot and get your breath in between shots, where with semi auto you might feel the urge to shoot as much as you can. pump is slower, though
actually…..it takes more time for target acquisition with a pump,because of the slide and recoil. whereas with the semi-auto you stay on target without having to work the slide, and because the recoil is considerably less with the Saiga , so muzzle clime is less of an issue.
my friend has a tricked out Mossberg 500. for kicks we did a side by side comparison against water 5 water jugs at 15 yards , i finished in half the time hitting all 5 jugs dead center. since the recoil is so low, you can really crank out some destruction, all while keeping on target.
as for steadying your shot? that all boils down to self control.
i would truly would want a semi auto shotgun because theres gunna be times where ur gunna need to unload
Ehh…gimme a 30-30 any day
2 questions, I have heard of some sorta .73 caliber bolt action somewhere, but I can’t remember. What is it called? Second of all, My dad(yes, I am over 21) has a few of his Navy issued guns left. He also has a desert eagle, and has a friend that makes the rounds for him. So bolt actions are good as well semi-autos? Would a .50 caliber rifle do the job? I don’t have one, but there is a local military base I plan to hit up form guns. Would an MG4 be ok as well? But as another thought, isn’t the SPAS 12 a weapon used by Insurgents?
Is there any way to make a M16 (with tactical scope) Semi Auto by modifying the firing mechanism?
@Jon
The .50 would be overkill, and the ammo is extremely heavy in large quantity, not to mention that they cost 2 bucks apiece. The MG4 would be a bit heavy,but the SPAS is great. I don’t think that Insugents could get their hands on them, though. Or at least very many.
And the M16 has a a selector switch, so that makes it semi.
This is a great weapon. Is it available to the public yet, If so, whats the costs.
as stated in earlier replies, it is not available to the public.
Though it is quite unfortunate that the AA-12 is illegal, there is a close second in the ultimate weapon, that being the Saiga-12. The Saiga-12 is literally an AK-47 rechambered in 12 gauge and is semi-auto only, it is reduced muzzle climb and recoil like the AA-12 and can hold 10, 12 box/stick magazines or 20 or 30 round detachable drum magazines, your choice. It can fire a volley of buckshot and deer-slugs, 3″ and 2.75″ magnum shotshells and if your good, even in semi auto, put three rounds into the target before it hits the ground, assuring it doesn’t get back up! This gun I would say is possibly as reliable reliable because its a Kalashnikov design. If you really want to see some action go to youtube and look up Saiga-12 highlights, first video. Perfectly legal, I own one, I keep it for home defense with a twenty round drum and a ten round magazine for backup, they are about $500 new.
[…] going to be a time when you have to shoot your way through hordes of them! You’ll need a good shotgun and of course a good tune! I’ll be listening to Asia’s “Heat of the […]
@Abrams: Yes, we’re quite familiar with the Saiga. If you had noticed, Mike has a picture of his as his profile picture.
Geez, you people sound really trigger-happy. No guns for you. You need to have the ability to WAIT. Be patient. Wait for your shot, therefore you don’t waste your ammunition. 12 Gauge is definitely preferrable, although a LOT of people will be using them. Automatic weapons are NOT suggested, as they tend to spray rounds. Semi-automatic will do much better in terms of efficiency. As for me, I can also be seen on rooftops, cradling a Barrett M82A1. For those of you that don’t know what that is, it is a .50 caliber long-range sniper rifle. The range is over a mile. And, it rips people in half. Screw you and your 12-gauge. Those zombies won’t get close enough to see me. And don’t be skeptical. The M82A1 is readily available in the US. At a price of $9,000 a unit. Have fun, and call before you come near me.
Also, a word or two on the Auto-Assault 12. Yes, as tests have shown, it is durable. But here lies the problem. It is plastic. What happens to plastic when a zombie hits it? It breaks, oh, look. Now your gun is broken and you have nothing to shoot them with. Although this does depend on if they can get close enough. But the noise, oh god the noise. Won’t a rapid firing shotgun alert zombies within like, a quarter mile? That could be a lot of zombies. Man, give me a Benelli M4 (FOUR not 3) Super 90. It is automatic, but it has a much longer range for being a shotgun. And it fires at about 90 RPM’s. So, a round every 3/4’s of a second. (On the same note: The M4 Super 90 is the automatic shotgun used in the first Left 4 Dead. if you’ve played it, you know how accurate it is.) If it doesn’t have a gun or a flashlight, it’s a zombie. NO EXCEPTIONS!!! Thank you.
Well put, megachains. take aim, don’t just spray wildly. Ammo will need to be conserved and will be a hot commodity.
Question: Why would I want to buy a gun that costs $9,000, and the ammo around $2 a piece, when I can use a .22 that might cost a couple hundred with bullets that cost $3 for a pack of 50. I understand that the Barrett will be good for extremely long range encounters, but it and the ammo it uses is heavy as hell, so why should I pick that when I could carry my Nylon 66 or some other .22 and a thousand or more rounds for the same weight. Sure, I wouldn’t hesistate to use a Barrett for sniping, but my .30-30 is lighter, has less recoil, and still has good range. Also, I doubt a zombie simply hitting the AA-12 would break it in half. It’s not made of cheap plastic. Just my two cents on this.
then theres the stupidity of trying to find aa12 30 round mags in walmart.
and putting all shells into mags takes a long time, and shooting lasts 3 seconds
slow reload + inaccuracy
—————————— =overall not worth picking up the gun.
fast shooting time
while im no fan of the aa12 i fell i need to correct some staements reel quick. the aa 12 is not made of plastic. the whole assembly is made of stainless steel, to inhibit corrosion. th down side to this, is its very heavy. the only thing plastic is an outer sleeve, that is not necissary for the functionality of the gun. still ill take the saiga 12, its lighter, its faster in semi auto, its just as fast in full auto, same ammo capacity, and best of all? you can actually own one.
wikipedia says only ten of these were ever made. I suspect this is mainly a gun for Call of Duty players.
that was 2004, and as far as wikipedia goes, I wouldn’t have 100% trust in it. more than ten have been made.
Well i really think we should think this one through. like honestly this gun is very very impractical. mainly due to the fact that there are hardly any in existence and SO illegal for civilians. it wont due you any good after the apocalypse if everyone thinks of you as the crazy dude that like to keep an illegal armory in his house. Also this gun fires incredibly fast, so even if you have a 30 round drum you’ll use that up in seconds. and the large clip is one of the best things going for this gun. but its so impractical to carry around large heavy drums of ammo. Its firing rate makes it awful at switching in between targets and a horrendous over kill for few or single zombies. really the only time i can think of this being useful is if cornered by a wall of zombies. and also we shouldn’t act like melee weapons are the worst thing in the world. there silent, usually produce instand kills, take minimum repairing, are lighter them most guns, and require no ammo. honestly id pick a bike and a hatchet over an AA-12 any day.
True, the aa-12 is bulky, heavy, and will chew through ammo if you’re not careful, and carrying around bulky mags is impratical, but how many shotguns can vouch for that accuracy at ranges like that? A great idea, but it needs to work out a few flaws.
FN FAL or m14 with a good scope ,silecer and underbarrel shotgun ,colt 1911 ,.22 revolver ,sharksuit* and cloths with lots of pokets for supplies and a good blade and thats my ideal loadout plus lots of ammo and clips please comment *it protect divers fom the bites of small sharks should protect from infected
And besides, if (and that’s a BIG if) a civilian version would be made, it will be semi-automatic, and will not waste so much ammo. And actually, Logan, it’s pretty light.
@”a ninja”
if ten were made, do you really think they would be used in pretty much every action movie in the last few months?
around 7.3 kg with a loaded 20 rd drum, more than 14 pounds, not etremely heavy, but not something i’d want to travel fast with.
as ive stated before go with a saiga. lighter. legal to own. and available.
Oh, o’ course with the twenty round drum.
And yeah, I agree with Mike.
plus promag just made new drums. they have a 10, 12, and 20 rnd version. i ordered 2 12 rounders because they are much more compact. the price of the 20 rnd drums has dropped consideribly, as well.
oh and just an fyi. i do work in law enforcement, i have to requalify every year with a remington 870, pump.
after only 20-50 rounds your shoulder becomes pretty sore. with my saiga i usually fire around 200 rnds at a time at the range. the most ive fired was 300 in one afternoon. no bruises, no sore muscles. its somthing to consider when using any fire arm. do you want a weapon that well beat the crap out of you? or do you want somthing you can use continuosly ? this is a very accurate stable platform. its not spray and pray. its more like take out 20 Z’s before having to reload. reliability? you betcha. as stated im very familiar with shotguns. ive had shells jam in a pump. ive had shells fail to eject in a pump. ive had pumps completly lock up. when a pump locks up, youre screwed. by the time you clear the breach, youll be lunch. the worst ive had in my saiga was a certain brand of ammo failed to cycle on 2 rnds. quick fix. pull the bolt keep shooting. it takes less than a millisecond. to date ive had more issues with the so called “reliable” pump shotguns.
heres another little nugget to think about. cleaning. anyone ever stripped a pump shotgun? not that easy. i can completely field strip my saiga in less than 30 seconds. for the price you really cant go wrong.
oh, and the drum prices have dropped drasticly as well. you can get a good 20 rnder for about $80.00
I agree with Fire-hose guy. You would be untouchable and accuracy and skill wouldn’t be an issue.
I would want a weapon that can garuntee me a headshot, such as a M1A1 carbine or the M4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYOxO89Y4Ww
heres a vid of me and my saiga.
hey wait what if we all just grabbed a couple of hijacked military tanks from fort knox (CUZ I’M PRETTY SURE GOVERNMENT WON’T WORRY ABOUT THEIR MONEY OR A REALLY BIG WILDERNESS BOY SCOUT TRAINING CAMP) and just head to nasa shuttle launch go to mars to die but when we land we all grab a suit got outside and PARTY to You Spin Me Around by DEAD OR ALIVE! drink some tequila and jump around in the low gravity!
(thats sounds fun to me anyways knowing earth will be overtaken anyways)
good info but childish subject – a zombie outbreak, give me a break. stop watching dawn of the dead
with the current state of affairs, arsenic-eating bacteria, bioweapon scares, a zombie apocalypse might well also be a possiblity!! Id rather be prepared for something that doesnt happens, than be there when something happens and not being prepared!
As far as the AA-12, it would be a dream having one, so being realistic, with luck youll be able to find a police type shotgun. Chances to find a better weapon will increase if you live near a military facility, but also chances are that youll find more Zs since with all the noise that base is going to generate, every single Z around will come towards it.
wow i know i will need one if they come out in time that is the perfect wep for anything from crowd control to sting operations to makeing zombie heads into swiss cheese anyway i was wondering what the best type of armor would be so i kept thinking and thinking and i found it the answer is in the past….. Chain mail well sorry i dont know how to spell it but i think you get what i’m saying anyway so think about it chain mail armor could be worn under cloths it would be good to keep the infection away i mean you could get bitten and be wearing a long sleave shirt over your chain mail and you would be safe good example of its uses in anti-biteing is when the myth busters went scuba diveing with sharks (they have huge teath that are sharp) anyway the scuba divers apairently use this when diveing with sharks its best to keep injury to a minimum and if you have a really small but strong linked-together chain mail you could get bitten by a shark and you would get not that much damage anyway its a good idea i thought i was thinking if there was some kind of anti zombie amry that they would use a combo of this wep chain mail with swat suit inbetween (one full body chain mail suit under and one full body chainmail siut on the top) and a chain mail helm with a small but sturdy riot shield that to me would be an ultimate anti zombie army so chain mail AA-12 glock extra ammo pack extra food water pack first aid combat knife under cloths under chain mail armor swat suit over chain mail armor chain mail helm swat helmet riot shield and thats it and maybe a bicycle wow sry if i typed to much
oh and i forgot i would need a silencer oh and dont think my packs of ammo and food would be huge they would probably way maybe to the least like very very least would be 10 puonds or heavyer most heavy probably 18 pounds they would consist of goz rubing alchohal lots of large thick bandages small bandages for cuts and that would be it my food would be canned food mostly and then dry food (add water then boil) and a small pot for my dry meals I.E start fire with wood put rocks around fire and keep it small so my location wouldnt be given away) and thats it my extra ammo pack would also be maybe to the most 20 pounds to the least 10 puonds it would consist of combat knife silencers for my AA-12 and my glock (if i am lucky and get some money in i will be able to get no one will belive this but a socom and a famas (both compatible with silencers) but no one on this thread will belive that anyway if the AA-12 is out before hand i will have gotten it and have completed my weapons check list oh and i would have 4 clips for my glock and lots of clips and shells for my AA-12 my view on the AA-12 is that it is the recreaton of the tompson with loads of new rounds and capabilitys i would also have some ammo boxes (shells and 9mms) so yeah my situation is that i live by a large amount of orange groves out in the country in the out skirts of a small town i am about 1-2 miles away from the town its pop is 3000 if i have the gear listed above and i went down the road that leeds to more secluded groves and more roades that leed into the mountens well the sequoias (very icey and cold up there this time of year) and i went to my hut up there (i prepared it for such an ocasion of a z virus or a natrul disater) and hunted with my bow and arrows not my gear or ammo for defending my self and i just wated it out for 10 years does anyone think i could survive? opps i typed to much again sry
hey phil. dont come crying to me when shit hits the fan. people like you will be the first to be eaten. with all the viral weaponry various countries have developed (including or own) there is a VERY real possibilty, that a viral outbreak could cause zombie like symptoms would they be living dead ? very unlikely.
hope for the best prepare for the worst.
mike has a point. A saiga k-12 is the absolute best choice of shotguns on the market today. Based off of the kalisnikolv it’s super reliable, cheap and idiot proof. And as far as the aa 12 goes, this is a terrible weapon. Not only is it heavy, but it’s rate of fire and full auto only action make it too heavy to carry practical amounts of ammo, and it will burn through all of that ammo too quick. And for 8500 you can get a ton of saigas or ar-15s… Of course chambered in 50 beowofle or 458 SOCOM.
just thought id point out, the aa12 is not full auto only. it has select fire capabilities. the downside to semi auto out of the aa 12 is the fact that the aa12 is an openbolt system. when you pull the trigger there is a slight pause as the bolt loads a round in the chamber then fires it. in full auto this is not an issue. but in semi it slows down the process making it less acurrate. the accuracy issue come into play due to the fact that you have to hold on target while it goes through the load/fire process.
[…] of brain-starved undead. Of course, given the political leanings of the current administration, certain items have been omitted from the list. Which is OK, because Texas’ resident expert on the […]
The AA12 is legal to own by civilians in WI (not to mention M4’s, MP5’s and many many many more) Its amazing… Im not a gun fanatic… but in the event of a outbreak, I can go to my nearest gun store (granted the owners aren’t defending there property) and grab one off the wall.
http://www.shootersshop.com/longguns2.html
I AM PREPARED I OWN A DAEWOO USAS 12 GAUGE AND A COLT COMBAT ELITE 45 ENHANCED FOR THE OUT BREAK OF ZOMBIE ATTACK.
[…] agree with the Undead Report for Anti-Zombie weapon of choice: The AA-12 automatic shotgun True, it's not available at your LGS, but I'm hoping that a semi-auto version will be offered soon […]
i am a big fan of the AA-12 but if i may add the beowulf would be my choice the mag is about 10 rounds or so but is a .50 cal. assault rifle;) who could go wrong…….working getting one myself
A saiga-12 is a magazine fed semi-automatic 12guage shotgun that — with some new furniture and perhaps a muzzle break would be civial legal alternative to an AA-12. The saiga wouldn’t have the same reduced recoil or reliability, but is obtainable for 6 or 7 hundred bucks, another 300 in magazines and customizations and you’ve got a high-capacity combat 12guage.
To heavy and to hard to get. Try a Saiga semi auto shotgun, based on the AK frame and action. Has truly massive capacity and is available to the public for a reasonable price. Just bing saiga firearms to find a dealer
hi my plan involves breaking into my local cadet armoury as not many people know cadets use firearms and in the weapon safes there are the Enfield bolt action rifles of the same model used in ww1 and the L98A2 the semi-auto version of the super accurate assault rifle used by British forces and if im lucky the shotguns will be on squadron when it happens leaving me with a defend-able base with 4 x .22 single shot bolt-action Enfield rifles with about 1000 rounds of ammo, 4 x L98A2 semi -auto rifles with 500 rounds of 5.56 ammo,a 12 gauge double barrelled shotgun with 500 rounds of ammo and a 20 gauge with the same + all the weapons I bring from home and as a way of dealing with walkers if they are on their own is 2-3 people one person uses a pitch fork or similar to impale the walker keeping it at arms length away while another person goes behind the walker and disposes of it with a blunt object and an optional the third person keeps watch while this is happening p.s. i live in the uk and this is my email guppylove at live dot co dot uk
sam i have a question about the shot guns they are sporting shotguns will that make any difference, can it still score a kill?
Hey Kyle — even a .22 will do the job.
thanks so has everyone got their bug-out bags ready
Hi there, I’m Dutch and it is almost impossible to get a weapon legal here. Though if you want there are other way’s to get one. I was wondering, my secondary weapon of choice would be a Beretta 92FS, but is it possible, in the United States, to get a supressor for it? Would make it quite usefull in urban area’s.
Hi it’s me again, I just would like to add an other reason for having a radio: After reading about the idea of sniping from a rooftop with a Barret .50 I realised, make sure they know that you are human. Or prepare to get your balls shot off.
Massive firepower, in the form of large caliber rounds seems a little unnecessary. Better to have lots of small rounds that are light weight and easy to carry. Suggest anything in 5.56 mm. I have thought about this at length for many years and I have come to the conclusion that a semi auto rifle in 5.56 mm or .223 cal is the best all around cartridge for most situations. It is definitely a man stopper, both living and dead. Will take most game in the northern hemisphere, if not in one shot certainly with follow ups, and has decent range. In the AR15 type rifles it comes in at around 300 meters. Its cheap, reload able, ubiquitous as it used by all NATO militaries and most north American police depts. A decent AR type rifle can be had from 400 bucks on up. You have excellent magazine capacity and if your into accessories you have literally thousands of options. .
@Eric
How about black powder? A lot of municipalities and places that won’t allow modern firearms are okay with older model black powder firearms. Single shot cartridge rifles like the martini-henry or an old school revolver like the Remington model 1858 or Colt model 1860 could be very effective. Also check out pyramid-air.com. They sell some incredibly deadly air rifles in .22 to .50 cal. These can be as deadly as black powder but don’t count as firearms.
@Eric
Suppresors and silencers are two different things. Neither works like they do in the movies. Generally speaking, suppresors are legal, silencers are not.
@oldschoolgreen
Thank you, I know supressors are not as good as in the movies but I think it would make a difference as it would be harder for the zombies to find you. If you were to shoot just a couple of rounds.
A mini 14 in .223/5.56×45 or an sks in 7.62×39, either a colt 1911A1 or glock 21 or .22 automatic, a bowie knife and either a machete or crowbar.all are rugged,reliable,and proven combat/survival weapons.all firearms use low-costwidely available ammo
It is a fine weapon, but since it’s mainly made for the SWAT and that it’s illegal to own in so many countries, yes, you do have a slim chance getting one, but the downside of this is;
You’ll ve having ALOT of trouble finding ammo for this gun, if the gun is hard to get, then the ammo is hard to get.
I’m from The Netherlands though, but I live near a weapon shop, a cultery shop, 2 super markets and 2 huge buildings of the police station.
It’s not hard getting a police gun in the place where I live.
My importance for a gun is that it should be common and have the ability to penetrate the skull.
Anyways, you have a pretty good site though.
I’ve absorbed plenty of information about the Zombie Apocalypse.
hay i just found this site i was reading some of the posts on here and couldnt help noticing the debate on meele combat itis imparitive u find a club of some sort unless u lnow how to use a katana ull waist time and effort using it without proper training i make meele weapons for a living clubs r easey and very effective weapons fpr the untraind and if u want to get fast with them simply swing a ball bat around in one hand in ur back yard without stopping your momentum its all about keeping the weight moving.
hay kyle im not a gun expert by any means but i saw u were trying to get your whenchester working do u know whats wrong with it by any chance
[…] weapon from your buddy by adding a little magical friendship style! The above My Little Pony themed AA-12 shotgun is designed by Bad Panda […]
Yes! Finally something about saiga 12 mags.
[…] example, America, which is ostensibly a caring society, is content – you could say insistent – on arming any old lunatic with a gun. Most Americans, particularly African-Americans, think that this is a bad thing and would like the […]